French Dragoons- Standard c1806?

[Kein Prinz]

Excerpt From Napoleons Dragoons and Lancers- Uniforms and Equipment 2025%0APaul L Dawson_ Screenshot 2025-05-01.jpg

Hello again
Given the previous discussion about the 5eme Hussards guidon shaped standard, as a coincidence this very matter appears in Dawsons latest book, Dragoons and Lancers.
This illustration, uncredited as to source but perhaps another Augsburg one I have never seen elsewhere?
The caption given is

“Standard bearer of the 1e Dragons c.1807. The colour is rather fanciful, unless it is a squadron marker of some sort.”

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Napoleon’s Dragoons and Lancers: Uniforms and Equipment 2025
Paul L Dawson
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regards davew

[Sans-Souci]

I think it is just a generic French flag, not a sketch of an real existing specimen.

You find this eagle on many contemporary images, it seems it was thought to be "typical French", and helped to identify the troops represented on popular prints, whose buyers were not so skilled in identifying uniforms. It played a role similar to the abundant tricolore flags in Ridley Scott's movie on Napoleon.

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[admin]

Dave, the Plate of Dawson‘s book is from the Müller Series - I published the whole Series at https://uniformenportal.de/index.php?/category/94 … and indeed we Must pay attention to the details; but the General appearance of the uniforms is reasonable.

Greetings
Markus Stein

[Kein Prinz]

Dave, the Plate of Dawson‘s book is from the Müller Series - I published the whole Series at https://uniformenportal.de/index.php?/category/94 … and indeed we Must pay attention to the details; but the General appearance of the uniforms is reasonable.

Greetings
Markus Stein

Gentlemen, My thanks.

Whilst I may discuss SansSouci after (and will enumerate), I agree Marcus about the plates.

I did, I promise, try to find them on line before I posted this... when using the generic 'Search' function of Napoleon's uniform portal online the results gave a number of links that did not actually attach to a file- apparently lost links to the previous incarnation perhaps?

The Müller Series are interesting. Whilst a number of elements can be confirmed (even Dawsons 'Dragoons highlights round portemanteau, dragoons in surtout in a number of regiments where habits do not exist- probably a much wider trend in reality etc.) I notice there are many artefacts of 'Empire' included among them.

May I suggest that these plates were made from notes/ hand records and not immediately after seeing the topic.
Wrong placement of cords, lace (ie Fourier/ Brigadier/ Sergent etc) and aiguillettes more wrong than right feels like a translation issue. Wearing of white 'overalls'/ linen even among the legére is well dcoumented for 1805-07 by other German artists- Berka?


The two Porte-Aigles depicted with the same mistaken flag style, given the accuracy of other details on the plates, only reinforces my thoughts.

Regards davew

[Kein Prinz]

hi,
On reflection, after studying Charrié more throughly, and looking anecdotally at others like LACHOUQUE etc. I cannot find any such French based artwork or .
The correct or near correct details may be;-

• the Aigle is appropriate, yet sits on a much larger boite than existed in reality.
• the flag/ banner is approximately bleu-de-ciel, with a silver Eagle? The apparent edging lace may suggest gold, and a gold fringe is entirely false, given no standards or drapeaux had such items until 1812 and 1815 respectively.
• The blue horse blanket also isn't noted by Dawson as being in effect for this regiment, compared to "15 others" as he cites.

However given the intangible aspects of the artwork depicting something different, I'll leave it there.
regards davew_